What did the Veyron or F1 do that was "game changing"?

Please do? I respect both cars for what they are, but I don't really see how either was revolutionary.

I can't think of anything I'd consider a truly revolutionary design since someone decided to stick the engine just in front of the rear axle. Maybe the first carbon fibre monocoque too, whatever that was.

No, I'm not. I adore the Mc F1, but I don't understand how it "changed the game"? What did it do that every subsequent super-car had to copy to be competitive (that's what "game changer" means)? Was the F1 the first car with a carbon monocoque? It certainly wasn't the first vehicle (bikes have had them for years). I thought the F40 was a carbon monocoque?

The only thing the Veyron really seems to have changed, is the price that it's acceptable to charge for a hypercar.

I think you're either trolling, massively obtuse or just plain stupid.

The F1 was a 'designed from scratch' supercar from a company who'd only built racing cars before. It pioneered carbon fibre construction for roadcars, it's central driving position remains unique to a production car (for good reason perhaps), it was a massive, massive landmark when it arrived and it remained the fastest production car for YEARS thereafter.

It's not universally loved BUT neither did anything come close to it's performance until the Veyron arrived.

The Veyron is a bit different tho - it was created by a motor manufacturer in the ascendant as the 'biggest and most powerful and most bonkers' thing they could make. Engineers were given silly targets and they spent HUGE sums surmounting the problems that saying 'make it a 16 cylinder 1000bhp car' actually caused. At the end of the day they made a pretty astonishing car - but it's nowhere near as special as the F1 was in it's day. The Veyron is simply existing technology taken crazy excess in the same way Koeniggsegg and Zonda and others do, thanks to the ability ask for silly amounts of money in return.

The F1 was something else tho - there was more to it than just 'expensive' - it was unlike anything which had come before it - faster than anything else by a massive, massive margin and as a result, breathtakingly valuable now (owners are probably in profit despite having spent 100s of 1000s on their cars over the years!!).

Remind me how many other manufacturers have made a roadcar and then had their arms twisted into racing it pretty-much 'as is' and won LeMans (you have to go back a year or 50).

I understand all that, but I don't see how any of that makes it a "game changer" (except for the carbon fibre bit, perhaps). I absolute love the car, it's probably my favourite road car ever, but it was evolution not revolution from what had come before, as far as I can see?

There's a huge difference between a big evolutionary step and a "game changer".

So you'd call every car that's ever held the top speed record a "game changer"? How is going a bit (or quite a lot, in the case of the F1) faster, changing the game?

The F1 and Veyron are both incredible, remarkable cars; I'm just not sure they were the massive steps forward in the history of the supercar that you seem to be implying? To me, "game changing" means completely changing what is being done, not just doing it better (hence the "mid-engined" example).

It's the potato bit you like isn't it? Go on, admit it, you dream of a supercar that will change into a potato

The badge kills this car for most, especially 99% of the people that can't afford it & for 98% of the people that could or aspire to owning a super car, a 458 would have more kudos on the street for half the price. Still, I reckon there's 490 people that know their stuff when it comes to modern super cars - I'd imagine too that those buyers have owned many super cars prior to their LFA purchase. Thus, I can only conclude the Lexus is truly awesome and better than most of it's ilk.

No, I agree. It's incredibly special and very, very impressive - I never claimed it wasn't. It is not however, "game-changing" unless other people have a completely different idea of what the term means to me.

I'd certainly never seek to claim that the LFA is as special as the F1 or Veyron.

It's a silly answer for your silly question. Ok then, the only real game changer in that case was when we stopped riding horses and started to drive cars.